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This is another update. Lots of new things here. Actually, I have now finally drawn a full lc. In any case, all the details of this are here: [link]
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I'm OK with the n and h serifs, I think, and although the side-bearings and kerning will obviously need work. The d feels just a little heavy and doesn't fit so well with the shape of the h and a. But I think there's potential for an interesting rhythm.

Well, it's easier to criticise than to build, right? :D :D
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~brianskywalker Apr 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for the input. The side bearing do indeed need work, actually I had been avoiding them. I am working on a respaced version now so we'l see how it comes out.
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:D yes, it's a lot of work!
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*MartinSilvertant Apr 1, 2012  Professional General Artist
I forgot to mention. the 'n' and 'h' look rather strange to me now with the semi-symmetrical baseline serifs. It works quite well in 'R' though.
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~brianskywalker Apr 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
*small serifs
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~brianskywalker Apr 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm. That's rather disappointing. It really doesn't look so unusual to me. I'm really going to have to make some PDFs now and test how it looks at small sizes, both with & without the symmetrical serifs. Maybe an in-between would work well, with smaller on the inside left.
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*MartinSilvertant Apr 2, 2012  Professional General Artist
I just find that big gap distracting. It's like a man standing with his legs apart and his shoes pointing outwards. I read your concept and reasoning behind these symmetrical serifs though and I find it strange that you didn't think the earlier design had a good flow. I was under the impression that a serif typeface needs a considerable amount of serif on the right sides of the baseline stems. I think that's how Calluna came to be. I'm not 100% certain this really makes the flow better or is just a nice design detail.

Coincidentally I just noticed the Pradin design features symmetrical serifs (though the stems aren't symmetrical). Quite strange I did that.
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~brianskywalker Apr 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The side bearings may be some of the problem—it's much too tight for text setting. Plus, I did not modify the width of the n at all—I just lopped off the inside serifs.

To be honest, there wasn't a problem with flow before, but I wanted to see how far I could push this idea. Just because it's good, doesn't mean it can't be improved. So I'll have to do my printed tests to really find out.
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*MartinSilvertant Apr 1, 2012  Professional General Artist
Much better! The tail on d and u works very well. The 'a' might now be a bit too elegant compared to the other letters though, and I still think the contrast in 'h' and 'n' is a bit too high compared to other letters.
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~brianskywalker Apr 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks! I was thinking the same thing with the 'a'. I'll be looking into contrast on the arched letters 'n', 'h', and so on.
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